It'll just take a moment. But that aint happening in our lifetime. – The British have written things on the American Revolution, but we all know how that ended up Before waging war, the Athenians sent an envoy to try and negotiate with the Melians. And the larger mob ruled world politics. A might which will snuff out the theoretical pontifications of armchair moralizers like you addicted to the smell of each others’ brain farts? Meanwhile, Athens lived on, and continues to this day. The Athenians didn’t lose the war because of Melos, the Athenians lost the war because of the disastrous Syracuse campaign. Fear is the mind killer. … I assume you’ve taken issue with my argument but you can’t come up with a rational response, so you decided to bring up this nit-picky bullshit. You are now subscribed to our newsletters. This is who is destroying the west and the world today. Even the USSR wasn’t effective and ruthless enough. Let not this be the case with you, who are weak and hang on a single turn of the scale; nor be like the vulgar, who, abandoning such security as human means may still afford, when visible hopes fail them in extremity, turn to invisible, to prophecies and oracles, and other such inventions thatdelude men with hopes to their destruction. Changes are beginning to take place within this part of India’s engine of growth where automation and other technologies are beginning to threaten the employment construct. And first tell us if this proposition of ours suits you. Ad by Raging Bull, LLC This man made $2.8 million swing trading stocks from home. …you might be right but I’ll never know; I stopped reading after “nay”. They have also been isolated from the experiences that many of their uneducated, and therefore marginalized, contemporaries have had. Great article. What the Athenians did to Melos was what they were doing to many others. I understand what the writer is driving at here, and agree with a lot of it. – The Jews, time after time, in the Bible wrote how they were defeated by all sorts of kingdoms Melian Dialogue 1. – Most history written about the Vietnam War were written by American Historians. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.”. How do we even know about this argument? You destroy power and make information education available to everyone. Copyright © HT Digital Streams Limited All rights reserved. killing their infants who seemed weak) also helped reduce their numbers. If “might makes right” then why discuss “right” at all? The drones changed everything. What good is a conquest if it merely hastens you to defeat and humiliation? And aren’t we still talking about it on a blog thousands of years later? They cry about benefits, because they feel they are in power. The strong become weak and the weak become strong. Delving into ancient Greek literature, from which the book’s title is taken, Varoufakis also quotes the ominous response to the interlocutors who espouse the principle that the weak suffer what they must. – After Germany lost World War I, the Germans were writing history about it, namely to explain how the allies were evil and had mistreated them (and these loser historians ultimately empowered Nazi Germany) Germany is now our ally. Krshwunk, you make a good point, but the point would be better received without the ALL CAPS, multiple exclmaations, “singing hymns to Hitler,” and the modifiers “fucking” and “totally.”. Melians were dead on. No matter how mighty you are, you can’t make 2+2=5. Sparta and its allies defeated Athens because the Athenians were bullying people around. And I’m sorry for saying “Hitler.”. Of course, anyone bringing up Hitler as an argument against anything is usually a juvenile weakling to begin with. In the "Melian dialogue," he wrote that, in interstate relations, "the strong do what they have the power to do and the weak accept what they have to accept." The changes wrought by the P. V. Narasimha Rao government in 1991 have been path-breaking for India’s economy. The Melians held against the Athenian siege for six months, until, as Thucydides reports. The highest holiest law of all To kill each other? In any event, these kind of explorations into the classics are precisely what this community needs in order to take the next step. However, once that strength has been acheived, there may be ways to exercise that strength that are more moral (and perhaps effective) than others. At first, Sparta largely kept its oppression localized in the southern Peloponnesus. And if you mean that their accomplishments live on, then so do their crimes against Melos. Its Golden Age was finished. Don’t say “You can’t bring up Hitler in an argument” because that’s just fucking retarded. Might make thinks right means more like Might make things just or good,its ethics and morality not mathematics.dropping an A bomb is always a good example to understand the concept.Americans (might made right) by dropping that thing killing civiliians without warning,while Hitler was wrong for making attrocities. Such is the relentless march of capitalism. This article is the kind of shit that makes me lament for modern manhood. It is tribalism, also known as “identity politics”, that will destroy civilization. For what else was there to say? The gunman scenario? Some sort of moral code is absolutely critical to keep man’s baser instincts under control. Actually, the deeper point of this article and really the whole manosphere is that nature (read: women) don’t give a shit about your morals – which you likely picked up from dubious sources anyway (unless your Christian). Very true. How many divisions has he got?” John Paul showed him in 1991. I did not see who did it. Appeals to morality are often the last resort of the weak who cannot stop enemy tanks in their streets, and rape tents outside their family door. In a column this week in Mint, Manas Chakravarty makes a compelling point that while the 1991 reforms have left the majority of this country better off, it has also increased the divide between the haves and the have-nots. Men are men when they become heroes, not self-destructive psychopathic wastes of space. T he critical response to And the Weak Suffer What They Must? Most of us are usually in the category of the “weak” after all, The point of Thucydides’ work is that Athens earned so much bad blood that no one was willing to back their plays anymore. Uh, hello, the ATHENIANS LOST THE WAR!!!! The Athenians ruled the Aegean Sea, and Melos was powerless to stop them. Man was created with a brain which is capable of living for MORE than survival. They were right. Why don’t you write an article? In fact they were very reluctant to go on campaigns for exactly that reason, often they only sent what one would call military advisors to their alies, which was often more than enough. But plenty other examples of the ‘weak’ winning the day, and others of them losing but dying with a lot more dignity and being remembered quite fondly by history. Make no set speech yourselves, but take us up at whatever you do not like, and settle that before going any farther. The guy with the gun thinks he has the right to take your shit. Yea, read the Iliad, Agamemnon the leader of Greeks brought plague onto them and bad moral. But Christianity has the mightiest being of them all: “God”, although philosophically speaking might does not=right. Might always makes right. I gave you credit for a good point, and said you should drop the histrionic language. The Melians refused, and told them they would hold out for Spartan assistance. This story will teach you about the sublime uselessness of morality. With his brain and consciousness he can create and add to his existence Meaning and Beauty and Love and Honor and Knowledge and Science and Philosophy and Goodness. ”. I’ll avoid any discussions about abstract notions of morality because they’re usually useless clusterfuckish shitstorms. True a generation or two later Thebes defeated Sparta, due to Sparta’s lack of tactical flexibility and manpower issues. To be fair, the overstretch was a consequence of their bullying. Yet their in lies the point of the script flipping. J is right. Slave morality is characterised not by resulting in results that are good for selfinterest, but for restricting results for others. If people like this writer really believe the shit they say, they’d totally be singing hymns to Hitler. This is the law of heav’n and hell, Posted by 3 years ago. a man wrongs you as a master by taking something that you value, thus the master will take something that he values. Or else, be submissive to someone who will. Not even close. No because bullies don’t have a lot of friends that are willing to risk themselves to cover the bully’s back.